Yeah, there you go. Yeah, it’s... It’s a sordid topic, but I think there are more people aware of this story. Most people in here already know what happened and pretty much know what, not the details of whatever you do, but this was such an uphill struggle getting people to recognize what had happened.
Right.
They didn’t know who Benai Brith was. Some people didn’t even know what the ADL was until about five or six years ago, which is amazing. But this was the birth of the so-called Anti-Defamation League. It came from, Leo Frank was a chapter president in Georgia. He had a pencil factory with a bunch of 13 to 12, 13, 14 year olds working for him. He was a York educated Yankee that went down to the South and used exploited labor. And he, by dozens of accounts, was a lecherous pervert that hit on his He had a well underage staff. And of course he was, it culminated in horrible, brutal rape and murder of Mary Fagan. And two other girls may have also been raped. And the story just gets dark and dark. He tried to use a couple of colored people as scapegoats. And ultimately there was a jail break in and they drug them out with Southern justice and they hanged them. Yes. 19-mile-an-hour car chase since 1913.
It was the first lynching done by automobiles. I mean, I was so shocked when daddy said that. And a lot of people say, well, how do you know? They search for the lynchers and stuff. And my dad told Steve Oney, who is considered the ADL’s expert on the case, well, all you got to do is go look at the car registrations for the state in 1913. That’ll tell you who was part of the group. And that’s what he did. And that’s what he discovered. And strong community members and not anti-Semitic. It wasn’t a mob. It was a very well-planned execution, a military style of getting Frank out of prison. And then they lynched him. You’re correct.
Anti-Semitism wasn’t even claimed by the other side at first. They acted like it was because he was some well-to-do Yankee that they didn’t like.
It was white privilege.
Yeah, well, he tried to pin it on two black men and nobody believed it. And a white man. And a white man. And there were Jewish jurors that also said he did it.
Yeah, that was not the jury trial, not the trial itself, but it was the grand jury. There were five prominent Jewish members on that, and they voted 21 to 0. against Frank to be indicted for the murder of my great Aunt.
The blood libel. 21 to zero. This is amazing. I don’t know if you’ve ever done this. Since the advent of AI, you can go in and talk to the AI about the Leo Frank case. And what a load of, you know what? Propaganda. It’s just like, oh yeah, the police coerced and coached people. It’s like all from the Jewish library and all these Jewish sources dominates the AI algorithm because they write incessantly about this case. Right. It’s like, oh, well, he actually, you know, actually, he was just an innocent, you know, hardworking, industrious gentleman. And this mob just had it out for him. Well, you know, a 13-year-old that he was, how many cents a day did he pay her that was working for? Ended up dead at his establishment. She went there for her payment, which was at night, which he arranged, and it’s like, The case against him was strong. It wasn’t based on prejudice. But if you look at AI, that’s all it talks about. It’s like, oh, it’s an egregious injustice and he was set up.
Exactly.
It was a black man. (said sarcastically)
Yes, that’s exactly what they do. And it’s been going on and it’s been a difficult 113 years for our family. So that’s why we came out in the 80s, 1980s. So the Fagin family really hasn’t been speaking the last 37 years. But my book was first published in 87 and had 12 chapters. Now the new book in 30 something years, let’s see, 87 to 2025, how many years ago is that? I can’t do the math in my head real quick, but it’s like 30 something years, 37 years or 38 years have been going on since the last book. I have added 13 chapters. It’s like a whole extra book. And they just won’t let it die. But the thing is, the truth is out there now, and we are starting to make a difference. And I just am absolutely proud of the human race for seeing that this is such a vindictive, vicious, deceivious, evil organization that the ADL has become with this case.
Oh, and many other cases, but we’re going to stick on this one. Just to point out how stupid AI is, because at the current phase, it can’t synthesize information. It’s just a glorified search engine. It says like really dumb, small hat type lies like, well, the notes... We’re in the black vernacular and use that kind of slang that an educated guy like Leo Frank wouldn’t write like that. Like he’d write like that if he was pinning it on the black guy. It’s like, oh, he couldn’t write like that.
My family believes strongly that Leo Frank dictated those notes to Jim Conley. And here’s the kicker that a lot of people don’t realize is he says in there, a long, tall, slim black man. Well, we’re talking about 1913 in the South. The war between the states is over, what, 60 years? And it’s still going on, even though because the industrialization of Atlanta and all that happening. A true Southerner would have never said the word black. Two Southern Negro are colored. And that is verified by the brief of evidence that if you were colored, you are in parentheses colored. So that’s why we firmly believe that he dictated those letters to Conley because Conley would have never done. Plus, Conley never met Newt Lee. Newt Lee only worked two weeks there and they were on different shits. And he didn’t know he was a long, tall, slim, black man. He didn’t know.
They just didn’t write like that, like a tall, slender. This is like a book reading Yankee. And more so, not just a Southerner, a Black person would not have called another Black person Black.
Yeah, you’re right.
And not only in 1913, like not even in like 1930s. Like that was not, that’s just not what you said. I remember my great-grandmother still saying colored people and like, Chastise me for saying black. I’m like, well, you know, I think it’s a...
Well, let’s be real. Yeah, let’s be real, Ryan. The real word was, you know, the N-word. It wasn’t even those words. That’s what they were called. Sometimes. They were called the... And I can’t say that word. I don’t know why, but I can’t. You don’t need to. Yeah, I just... That’s the word they use. It was just... My grandmother used that word, you know? I was like, huh? You know? And she said, oh, yeah, you know that? Oh, yeah. And I’m like, oh, my God. But that’s the way she was raised. And ironically, she was a Mary Fagan, too. So she had it a lot worse than what I did because she was of the same age as little Mary Fagan. And of course, when people met her, she married into the family. Her first name was Mary. She had a very hard time with it as well as I did. And, you know, she was a life saver.
It almost be like someone in 1913 saying Native American. Like, no, they would have said Indian. The Indian said Indian, too. Like that just that didn’t start till like the 1970s.
Right.
The vernacular that they’ve done on the notes, it just cracks me up. I just, you know, this, this, and, you know, to me, that’s totally irrelevant. Throw it out the door. That was just their way of saying that, you know, trying to prove Jim Conley murdered little Mary Fagan.
Well, there was other evidence that implicated Leo anyway. It’s not like it rests on who did the notes. No, it doesn’t matter.
That was totally irrelevant, you know, that kind of thing, but. Leo Frank had a reputation and there’s a lot of things that the ADL hasn’t told you about Leo Frank. So I’ve exposed all that in the new book. And I encourage people to go to Amazon or my website, littlemaryfagan.com and purchase it because I’m interested in doing a documentary with some podcasters or something like that. So I’m starting that up.
I always think it’s going to end, but Is it better to buy from your website or Amazon or it doesn’t matter? https://www.amazon.com/dp/1737966018?lv=shuf&channelId=500&plpRedirect=mhFallback
It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. I mean, if you buy from Amazon, you’re able to leave a review. Right now, I’ve got a four-star review. They said the book has got all the accurate information about the trial and stuff. It’s really nice. It’s really great that we’ve achieved this accomplishment, the Fagan family.
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